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The Rise of Humanness (The Role of People in an AI World)
Episode Description
As AI races toward capabilities we can barely imagine, Chris Nolan and Michael Schindler pose a stark choice: a technological renaissance that expands human potential, or a dystopian future born of inaction and short sightedness. Citing that more than 70 percent of people worldwide fear what lies ahead, they argue that our human qualities matter more, not less, as machines grow more powerful. Their message to leaders is ultimately one of grounded optimism, insisting that foresight and responsibility are what will determine which future arrives.
Key Takeaways
- Society sits at a crossroads between a human centered technological renaissance and a dystopian path shaped by inaction.
- Widespread fear of the future, especially among people aged 18 to 40, signals a leadership challenge as much as a technological one.
- Exponential AI advancement means artificial general intelligence could emerge within a decade or two, demanding foresight now.
- Human qualities become more valuable, not less, as artificial intelligence grows more capable.
- Optimism, paired with responsibility and planning, is essential for capturing the opportunities this era offers.
Why This Episode Matters
It challenges executives to lead the AI transition with foresight and humanity, shaping which future their organizations and people ultimately inherit.
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The Rise of Humanness (The Role of People in an AI World)
Chris Nolan, a multi-award-winning writer and director, brings an in-depth understanding of the complex interplay between humans and AI technology, and Michael Schindler, a veteran, writer, and podcast host, adds his transformative voice to the discussions on integrating AI with human qualities, share this article as a companion to their podcast The Rise of Humanness (The Role of People in an AI World).
An excerpt from Chapter 1 of their forthcoming book, The Age of Humanness:
THE CROSSROADS OF HUMAN DESTINY
We find ourselves at a pivotal moment in human history — we are at the elbow of the exponential curve, poised at a “fork in the road” moment. We are either on the brink of a technological renaissance that will unfurl a new tapestry of human evolution or we are facing a dystopian future wrought by inaction, irresponsibility, and lack of foresight.
The trials and tribulations of recent years — the COVID pandemic, geopolitical turbulence, and anxiety over livelihoods in the face of AI — have shaken our collective psyche to its core, impacting our well-being and faith in the future.
Society, the workplace, and the economy all stand at the precipice of transformation or disintegration.
As recent stats from the World Economic Forum inform us, since COVID, the crises, uncertainty, and risks have only accelerated.
It’s a vast list from geopolitical, economic, social and climate upheaval, to threats to democracy and mental health deterioration. It is not hard to fathom why studies show people all over the world are terrified of what’s next.
Over 70% of the world, especially those between 18 and 40, are fearful of the future. And over half think humanity is doomed.
We are now at a crucial moment, where change will challenge and push the envelope of our linear-biased minds to master this new exponential world.
The futurists among us compare the present era to the convergence of twenty Gutenberg printing presses.
Overnight, the specter of artificial intelligence disrupting jobs and livelihoods whipped the unsuspecting teeming masses into a frenzied state of collective hysteria.
We’ve all been caught off guard with the seemingly sudden arrival of so much change. And we’re behind the curve. But we cannot allow ourselves to be caught off guard again. Or fall even further behind the exponential curve. Or become consumed with mass hysteria, despair, or apathy.
The pace of change is breathtaking, terrifying, and exhilarating all at once. And the acceleration is only accelerating.
Far more revolutionary, earth-shaking technologies and changes are coming at us down the pike — beyond just chatty GPTs and other AIs. Here’s how the hockey stick graph translates to AI’s exponentially accelerating computer power.
In 2050, it’s on track to have 1,000,000 times more intelligence than today.
Indeed, ChatGPT 4 has astoundingly leapfrogged beyond the projections that were once thought to be years away. We are now riding the crest of a double exponential curve, accelerating at a dizzying, doubling, doubling pace.
The arrival of artificial general intelligence (AGI, a machine possessing the full cognitive abilities of an adult human) is now estimated to emerge in a mere decade or two.
Thus, we find ourselves grappling with a world that is more uncertain, more enigmatic, and more unpredictable than literally any human can comprehend.
We are at an urgent crossroads, a time of decisions and actions for you, society, and all of humanity.
For, along with monumental challenges, we must not lose sight of the colossal opportunities and the potential abundance that this era offers.
We must turn this pervasive fearful, pessimistic narrative on its head, for despair, apathy, and apprehension serve only to hinder positive progress.
It is the optimists who shall save the world.
Resources:
You’ll find all things VUCA (and humanness) at Chris and Michael’s website: https://itsvuca.com. If you’d like to check out their VUCA documentary, it’s on Amazon at https://bit.ly/ItsVUCA.
Our host, Maureen Metcalf, posts a newsletter every week on LinkedIn. You can subscribe here.
She’s also written several award-winning books on leadership development. You can peruse and purchase them here.
Books we’re reading for fun or personal development right now include:
- The Five Lost Superpowers: Why We Lost Them & Hot to Get Them Back by John Reid, et al
- The Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler
- The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula K. LeGuin
- Snow White & the Seven Robots by Louise Simonson & Jimena Sanchez
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Guest(s) Bio:
Chris Nolan is a multi-award-winning writer and director, bringing in-depth understanding to the complex interplay between humans and AI technology. His insights, gained from a distinguished career, aid in comprehending and balancing the intricate dynamics of this digital era. His thought-provoking work on VUCA: The Secret to Living in the 21st Century, showcases his adeptness in decoding the exponentially accelerating technological changes. Michael Schindler, a veteran, writer and podcast host, adds his transformative voice to the discussions on integrating AI with human qualities. His inquisitive approach breaks down the complexities of blending business and AI. Mike’s expertise, shaped by hosting the ‘Military Wire’ podcast, frames his insightful outlook on the future of work.
Together, Michael & Chris consult with companies – and coach their leaders – on navigating VUCA in the business world…and understanding humanness in the process.
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