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The Next Rules of Work
Episode Description
Gary Bolles argues that leadership itself needs a rewrite for an era of constant uncertainty. He draws a crucial distinction between leadership as a rigid noun and leading as a teachable verb, a set of behaviors available to anyone regardless of title. Pointing to real examples like Novartis’s “unbossing” and the Dutch healthcare organization Buurtzorg, he shows how distributed leadership works, and offers a striking new success metric: how many others solved problems you didn’t have to.
Key Takeaways
- Treating leadership as a fixed noun creates rigidity, while leading as a verb makes it teachable for anyone.
- The core shift is encouraging others to solve problems rather than the highest-ranking person always deciding.
- “Unbossing,” as at Novartis, asks who is best equipped to lead a problem regardless of title.
- Leaders should become guides on the side, using sensemaking, humility, and transparency over certainty.
- Success is better measured by how many others solved problems you never had to touch.
Why This Episode Matters
Executives come away with a practical model for distributing leadership and empowering their teams to solve problems, rather than concentrating every decision at the top.
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The End of Leadership: The Next Era is Leading
Gary A. Bolles, author of “The Next Rules of Work: The Mindset, Skillset, and Toolset to Lead Your Organization through Uncertainty,” provides this article as a companion to his podcast Embrace Your New Mindset.
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Quick: How many essential skills are there for leadership?
Depending on whom you listen to, there are 4, 5, 6, 11, 20, 23, 24, or 25 key leadership skills. Or just 1. Even the Harvard Business Review can’t agree: There are 6, 8, or maybe 10.
We should have two takeaways from these conflicting messages. The first is that leading people is hard. The second is that “leadership” has lost much of its meaning.
Leading is hard because as a species we are complicated, often differ dramatically from each other, and we frequently do things against our own best interests. And because the world around us is constantly changing (sometimes exponentially), and the problems it throws at us are often complex (sometimes wicked), our ability to solve problems one day can be deeply challenged the next.
“Leadership” has lost much of its meaning because it is highly variable (two “leaders” can have widely different qualities), deeply subjective (my leader isn’t your leader), and annoyingly elusive, as evidenced by the endless flow of books on the topic. Although like Justice Potter Stewart we know leadership when we see it, we have a hard time agreeing on what it truly is, and whether a particular person has the leadership qualities that each of us individually prizes.
However, Leading is something anyone can do.
Part of the problem with Leadership as a noun is that it immediately invites definition. It tends to solidify into binary analysis: Is this person a leader, or aren’t they?
But Leading, as a verb, is a set of behaviors. It’s highly situational. And it’s unquestionably teachable.
Leadership often devolves to problem-solving. A group of people is in a room, and they have a problem. The problem has been sitting around for a long time, and someone needs to make a decision. So the Leader steps in and solves the problem, and everyone can move on.
But is that the way it should be? Should the person with the highest title in the room be the one who always solves the problem?
The default state of Leading is encouraging others to solve problems themselves. It’s not about shirking responsibility, nor about doing the least work possible. It’s about a mindset that says the best problems are those you don’t ever see.
Novartis, the 100,000-worker pharmaceuticals company, calls this process “unbossing.” The norm for the organization is to have teams walk into a conference room or hop on a Zoom call, and for the person with the highest title in the room to ask, “How can we unboss this meeting?” That is, How can the person who is best equipped take the lead to solve this problem?
Or look at Buurtzorg, the Netherlands-based 10,000-worker distributed healthcare organization. There are no middle managers, and the central team of just 50 people performs mostly administrative work. Community-based teams run their own local market and rely on the central organization only when needed.
Leading in its most basic form is a mindset, empowering each individual to continuously function as a problem-solver. That requires a significantly different role for those with the most responsibility in an organization, who might have formerly thought of themselves as The Leadership Team.
So what is that next role? The Team Guide.
In her book “Moonshots in Education,” author Esther Wojcicki says that the old role of the teacher — “the sage on the stage,” the one with all the right answers — must be transformed into “the guide on the side,” the one with all the best questions. The same is true for Leaders, who need to become Team Guides, asking questions so that others are empowered to learn how to solve problems.
There is no static skillset for Leading. Core behaviors of Leading include sensemaking, communicating, and showing courage. Leading also requires demonstrating humility, the ability to accept that you don’t have all the answers, and exhibiting transparency, the ability to admit that you don’t have all the answers. These are not weaknesses. They are strengths, skills that require a deep knowledge of what makes you tick, and a strong commitment to modeling the kinds of behaviors you want to see in others, even at the risk of having others temporarily believe that you are uncertain or indecisive.
Finally, leading requires new metrics of effectiveness, different ways of thinking about how we accomplish our goals. Rather than judging your own achievements by how many times you made a tough decision, inventory your accomplishments by how many others solved a problem that you didn’t have to, and by how many times a problem was effectively solved that never reached your desk.
So, whether you think there are one or 25 skills for Leadership, and whether you believe that Leaders are born or can eventually be made, we should all be able to agree that Leading can be done by anyone. We all just need to embrace that next mindset.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Gary A. Bolles is the author of “The Next Rules of Work: The mindset, skillset, and toolset to lead your organization through uncertainty.” He has nine popular courses on LinkedIn Learning with over 1 million learners, including “Leading Change” and “Strategic Agility.”
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Work isn’t what it used to be.
Even before COVID and the Great Resignation, a seismic shift began shaking in the workplace: not just how we work, but why we work. Prior generations worked mainly for money; today’s younger generations work mainly for mission (and hope the pay will follow).
How can a leader lead a workforce that’s so varied in why, where, and how they work? First, understand – and help forge – the new rules of work. Second, adapt your “sets”: mindset, skillset, and toolset.
That’s simply stated, but not always easy to do. Gary Bolles, author of the new book, The Next Rules of Work, joins host Maureen Metcalf to uncover the who, what, when, where, why, and how of the workplaces succeeding in this new world…and the mindset that will help you embrace them for your own team.
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Gary A. Bolles writes and lectures around the world on the future of work, learning, and the organization. He is the author of “The Next Rules of Work: The Mindset, Sillset, and Toolset to Lead Your Organization through Uncertainty,” your guide to the brave new world of work in the pandemic era. He also has nine courses on LinkedIn Learning with a total of over 1 million learners, with courses such as “Learning Mindset” and “Learning Agility.” As adjunct Chair for the Future of Work for Singularity University, Bolles helps people understand the impact and opportunities of exponential change for individuals, organizations, communities, and countries. As a partner in the consulting agency Charrette LLC (“Initiatives With Impact”), he helps organizations, communities, educators and governments develop strategies for “what’s next.” As co-founder of eParachute.com, he helps job-hunters & career changers with programs inspired by “What Color Is Your Parachute?”, the world’s enduring career manual. Bolles is the former editorial director for six technology publications, a serial entrepreneur, and a former Silicon Valley executive. He was a co-founder of SoCap, the world’s largest gathering of impact entrepreneurs and investors. Bolles is dedicated to helping individuals, organizations, communities and countries to collaborate on effective strategies to ensure that all people can have access to meaningful work and lifelong learning opportunities.
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